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/cgl/ Roundup: “Lolita books, films and series”

Hello, readers,

In an effort to preserve some of the best content that appears on the wonderful (but unfortunately ephemeral) /cgl/ on 4chan, here’s a curated (and heavily edited) summary of the thread ” Lolita books, films and series” started by Anonymous on 06/07/17.

The recommendations are the left-most bullet point (bolded), and all the other bullet points are discussions from the contributors. It might be a bit hard to read this post, but there are so many good recommendations in here that it’s worth it to get through the information overload.

Disclaimer: While the thread was active, I made only one contribution. (If you think you know what that was, please let me know in the comments below!) The only claim I have on the words below is that I curated and edited them.

Original thread, with pictures (for as long as this link works)

OP, 6/07/17:

It doesn’t necessarily have to be about lolita fashion itself, it can be a gothic novel, art from a fairytale, a beautiful film, brand collab related etc…

Anon, 6/28/17:

I noticed the thread’s dying but I just wanted to say thanks to everyone who posted, this is a great thread! So many new things to look up!

Artists, Authors, Illustrators, Poets, People

  • Shigeru Mizuki [artist]
    • I’ve always wondered why Juliette et Justine did Shigeru Mizuki prints
    • because his work is absolutely gorgeous
  • Mihara Mitsukazu [illustrator, manga artist]
  • Any documentary with Lucy Worsley in it.
    • Fuck yeah. She’s always so chipper and into every subject she presents.
    • Lucy Worsley is the best.
  • Edgar Allen Poe [writer, poet]
  • Arthur Machen [author]
    • I’m a huge fan of the works of Arthur Machen, and I think a lot of lolitas would enjoy it as well. Weird fiction from the Edwardian era primarily, he was a big influence on HP Lovecraft
    • The White People is great, it follows a young Victorian girl encountering strange beings in the woods of Wales. Very atmospheric. Pretty much all of them are good with the exception of the one WW1 propaganda story of his.
  • Kaori Yuki [manga artist]
    • Almost anything by Kaori Yuki
      Gothic bliss
    • I absolutely love Godchild.
  • Edward Gorey [illustrator, writer]
    • I’ve been really digging Edward Gorey’s work lately. His silhouettes are definitely long and thin (mix of Edwardian and 1920s flappers?), but but I get massive gothic aesthetic feels from it. I finally got a copy of the Gashlycrumb Tinies (alphabet book) for my birthday, and it’s perfect.He was a nonsense writer, so if you like Lewis Carroll’s writing you might like his.
    • I am in love with his Amphigorey books!!
      the illustrations for Gashlycrumb had me in stitches. I was able to write a paper about his work for a children’s lit class I took at uni.
      I never thought of actually owning any copies until now. thanks anon!

Media

  • The Secret Garden [movie, 1993]
  • Lolita, Vladimir Nabokov [novel]
    • Everyone knows that Nabokov’s Lolita is the only book that matters
    • It’s good literature.
    • I know it’s bait, but I’ll address it since some newcomers might be interested: Good literature, yeah, but ironically Lolita is unrelated to the fashion and lifestyle as defined by the Japanese fashion and subculture Lolita.It lacks any of the key icons of the major styles in egl fashion: opulence, elegance, cuteness, whimsicality, beauty contrasted with horror, fantasy, gothic imagery, or escapism.
      Dolores is a regular girl her age, ironically enough nothing about Lolita (Dolores in the book) is Lolita (the Japanese style.) Dolores is a regular girl with regular clothes and a regular lifestyle, the book is not so much about her or anything particularly remarkable about her so much as it’s about what obsession looks like through the eyes of an already deranged and sick man who justifies acts of increasing mania by trying to build up his pedophilic obsession into some kind of transcendental love. We use the term monster to see deranged people as inhuman, Nabokov used Lolita to show how a deranged person is not inhuman, but far more terrifyingly, how a deranged person is a human who twists logic and reality in order to justify their acts, no matter how horrific those acts may be.
      Damn good reading, but not if you’re looking to get lost in the EGL aesthetic. One of the best books I don’t think I could ever read again.
    • It is pretty good, every lolita should read it, not because it’s related to the fashion but for general culture.
  • Brideshead Revisited [miniseries, 1981]
    • Not lolita but the original Brideshead Revisited miniseries gives me lolita feels < 3
  • Rose of Versailles [manga, anime, 1979]
    • Rose of Versailles, the only relevant manga
  • Farewell, My Queen [movie, 2012]
  • The Company of Wolves [movie, 1984]
  • Mirror, Mirror [television series, 1995]
  • La Belle et la Bête [movie, 2014]
    • YES. So much better than that recent Disney abortion.
    • Overall I liked the Disney version better but the French version had infinitely better aesthetics. The French plot felt more fairytale-ish in good and bad ways. The largest drawback for me was that I never cared about a single one of the characters, I didn’t care at all whether they had a happy ending or not. At least in the Disney movie I liked the characters even if the visuals were disappointing.
    • Belle in La Belle et La Bete was just unobjectionable to the point of blandness. I can’t say I disliked her or liked her because she was just kind of there.But I did prefer the Beast’s story in the French version. I loved the Greek mythological/old world (like Friedrich La Motte Fouque) tragic backstory, if only because I absolutely was not expecting it.
  • Friedrich de la Motte Fouqué’s Undine [fairy tale novella]
  • Goethe’s Faust [play, late 18th century]
  • Les Orientales by Victor Hugo [collection of poems, 1829]
  • Shimotsuma Story/Kamikaze Girls/Shimotsuma Monogatari [movie, 2004, novel]
  • A Little Princess [movie, novel]
    • I would go for the 1986 adaptation, as it follows the book more accurately. (And by that I mean follows it.. at all) It really nails all of the feels.
    • I hate the adaptations where the father lives. It completely undermines the point of the book.
  • Deka Wanko [manga, television series, 2011]
    • I saw deka wanko was posted once in a thread similar to this! The post convinced me watch it (plus it was pretty short already), and I liked it. The main character is pretty cute!
    • There’s a Japanese TV show that has a young girl detective that wears JFash that was posted here awhile back but I can’t at all remember what it is was called – hopefully someone does, because I definitely wanna watch it again.
  • Valmont/Dangerous Liasons [movie (1989 or 1988), novel]
    • Valmont for the movie but Dangerous Liasons for the book (Same story)
    • Dangerous Liasons – this one’s a given
  • The Way We Live Now [miniseries, 2001]
    • The Way We Live Now is one of my favorite period dramas…. it’s really long though. I usually only make it through the first half. Has Mathew Macfayden (Mr. Darcy in the newer P&P) and Cilian Murphy (played Scarecrow in Batman) in it, so for eye-candy alone it’s worth a watch.
  • American Girl [dolls, books, movies]

    • Any of the American Girl books or movies! The movies have great costuming and music, and the books are so nostalgic.These dolls and books are probably the reason why I love dressing up so much and why I wear lolita now.
    • Why am I so ooooold!?! I want to have a matching historically accurate doll with an overmarketed cross-media franchise that I can attend the posh dolly hair salon with!
      Maybe they won’t care I’m like 20+ years too old…?
    • I will make a Kirsten St. Lucia coord before I die…

 

 

  • Versailles [television series, 2015]
    • Versailles is fantastic.
    • I’m glad another anon likes it. I originally flicked through it for the outfits but now I’m hooked on the story.
    • Watched the whole series, and loved it. HATED the modern music score though. Totally took me out.
  • The Star of Cottonland [manga, movie, 1984]
    • The Star of Cottonland always gives me feels and the aesthetics are wonderful
  • Innocent [manga]
    • The manga Innocent is one of my favorites. Extremely gothic, outstanding artwork and of course the period it’s set in is gorgeous.
    • I hadn’t realized the series had completed and is on a spin-off now. Re-reading it and even with a poor quality scan I can’t help but want to share this with more people. I really hope there’s a few people ITT who check it out or have some similar manga to recommend!
    • anon, thanks for sharing this. i’ve just started reading–only on chapter 8–but already the exquisite art and the morbid theme have me hooked.
  • Mizterr Rokoko/Mister Rococo/Loliwrestler [short film, 2010]
    • Loliwrestler is best minimovie
  • Bleuette [dolls]
  • Perfume: The Story of a Murderer [movie, 2006]
    • the colors in Perfume are so vibrant. I love the wardrobe.
  • Tale of Tales [movie, 2015]
  • Casanova [miniseries, 2005, movie, 2005]
  • Quills [movie, 2000]
    • I actually think of Quills as really fun and kind of mischievous and it’s one of my favorites because of that. It’s a really playful take on Marquis de Sade’s erotic nature and the literature he wrote.
  • Jim Henson’s The Storyteller [television series, 1980s]
  • Pan’s Labyrinth [movie, 2006]
  • Jim Henson’s Labyrinth [movie, 1986]
  • Harlots [television series, 2017]
  • Fatal Frame/Gekijōban Zero [movie, 2014]
    • not nearly as scary as the games, but very spooky & also has a creepy lolita dame featured
  • Le Roi Danse [movie, 2000]
    • some good ol’ fashioned Louis XIV and his lavish fucking house
  • Livid/Livide [movie, 2011]
    • French horror film about a ballet school, also vampires.
  • Memories of Matsuko [movie, 2006]
    • musical directed by the same dude who made kamikaze girls, just as quirky but also terribly sad with musical numbers!! watch this if you need to rend your heart to shreds.
  • Gormenghast [novel series, miniseries, 2000]
    • BBC miniseries based on Mervyn Peake’s novels, a gothic ‘fantasy of manners’ type thing with a young and incredibly beautiful Jonathan Rhys Meyers in period costume. ’nuff said.
    • Can’t believe I forgot, but the Gormenghast series of novels is a must for gothic fiction. I haven’t seen the BBC television adaptation, but they are typically good about it.
  • Mala Morska Vila [movie, 1975]
    • beautiful russian adaptation of the little mermaid. the soundtrack is superb. spring to get a high-def version instead of watching it on youtube for the costume design.
  • Panna A Netvor [movie, 1978]
    • quintessential must-see for any gothic lolita, a czech adaptation of beauty and the beast. if you like gargoyles, crumbling castles, organ music and stockholm syndrome, this is the movie for you.
  • Return to Oz [movie, 1985]
    • if you liked ‘alice in wonderland’ but felt like it wasn’t creepy enough, try this!
  • The Affair of the Necklace [movie, 2001]
    • the real life drama for this was interesting enough, but now you get to watch it with extra fancy dresses.
  • Emma [manga, anime]
    • Emma starts off a bit basic, but Kaoru Mori really steps it up on textile details a few chapters in.
    • Emma is also highly historically accurate.
    • If only she spent half as much time on face and anatomy as she does on textile and backgrounds.
      I lover her backgrounds and clothes, but her stories aren’t interesting enough to carry her “How to Draw Manga Volume 1: Let’s Draw Expressions!” faces. I’ve tried to read Emma five times now but the character art is so bad so as to be distracting.
      It’s like she draws people like every stereotype and negative criticism of the manga art style. Tilt the eyes up or down or slap on a different hairstyle and boom, different character. Eyebrows up, ecstatic joy! Eyebrows down, soul crushing sadness.
      From someone who is so technically gifted I know she can do better, why she doesn’t is beyond me. Her stories simply aren’t good enough to say that she’s trying to have the characters be bland on purpose not detract from her backgrounds or clothes.
  • Secret of Moonacre [movie, 2008]
    • Secret of Moonacre was a terrible film but the costumes were really interestingly done.A nice mix of lolita, rococo, and victorian all over the place. I feel really bad for the costume designer’s lovely work was used in such a crap movie.
      Watch it for the dress porn only.
    • sets were pretty too.
  • The Knick [television series, 2014]
    • a medical drama set in the early 20th century
  • Penny Dreadful [television series, 2014]
    • just to look at Vanessa Ives
    • I think you mean Lily. Vanessa’s outfits are pleb-tier compared to Lily’s. She spent basically all of season 3 in a burlap sack too. Especially Lily’s end of season 2 outfit. Ooooohh those aesthetic feels.
  • Dracula [movie, 1992]
  • Anna Karenina [movie, 2012]
  • Musashino Sen no shimai [web manga, movie, 2012]
  • Bara no konrei [movie, 2002]
    • From Wikipedia: Bara no Konrei ~Mayonaka ni Kawashita Yakusoku~ is a movie released by Malice Mizer on March 22, 2002. It is a silent film with a storyline similar to Dracula and other vampire-based stories with Japanese and English captions for dialogue.
  • Crimson Peak [movie, 2015]
    • The dresses and hair were to die for.
  • Keeping up Appearances [television series, 1990s]
    • A really funny series, especially when watched from a Lolita point of view.
    • This thing is golden. I would also say Gossip Girl is fun when watched from a lolita point of view
  • Bizenghast [graphic novel series/manga]
    • I like the art and Diana’s clothing more than the story to be honest
  • Soulless [part of the Parasol Protectorate novel series]
    • cheesy but good cheesy.
  • The Young Victoria [movie, 2009]
  • The Supersizers Go… [television series]
    • ( Victorian, Edwardian, etc)
    • “A comedienne & a humor writer try their hand at living in different eras. They dress, eat, and live the past. Before and after, their vitals are tested to see how these lifestyles affect their health.”
  • Carmilla [novel, 1872]
  • The Phantom of the Opera [musical, 1886, novel, 1910]
  • Carmen [opera, 1875]
  • A Picture of Dorian Gray [novel, 1890]
  • The Turn of the Screw [novella, 1898]
  • The Night Circus [novel, 2011]
  • Interview with a Vampire [novel, movie, 1994]
  • What We Do in the Shadows [movie, 2014]
    • (very silly, but very gothic)
  • Sleepy Hollow [movie, 1999]
  • Fairytale collections
    • Andrew Lang’s “Coloured Fairytales” are great if you want a collection
    • Grimm’s fairy tales
    • The Bloody Chamber by Angela Carter
      • On the gothic side of things, I highly recommend The Bloody Chamber by Angela Carter. It’s a collection of fairy tales retold with a decidedly feminist bent. Pic is from one of the illustrated editions.
      • >It’s a collection of fairy tales retold with a decidedly feminist bent
        …With rape and necrophilia out the wazoo!
        Also, this thread convinced me to get a new copy of both the Bloody Chamber (the 75th anniversary edition) and the before mentioned DVD.
  • Anne of Green Gables [novel, 1908]
    • Road to Avonlea [television series, 1990s]
    • Anne with an E [television series, 2017]
      • Anyone started Anne with an E? It’s in my queue to start up this week.
      • I finished it all and Idk gull they made it kinda dramatic. I liked the aesthetic well enough if you look at it as something with a more goth veneer. And its woodsy and dreamy enough that I noticed girls in the Mori community like it. But for example, /spoilers that don’t work on this board/ the punishment for “losing” the brooch is not that she doesn’t get to go to the picnic and try her first ice cream but instead she gets sent back to the orphanage/
      • Anon, do not even get me started, I am so disappointed with that series. They even have her get her period in the third or fourth episode. I haven’t watched that episode, I’ve been avioding it, but if they’re not going to show her rolling rags or dealing with it historically accurately then I am so done.
      • some of that bit is fine and kinda funny, though imo the concept of a naive girl thinking she’s dying is a little tired. And it doesn’t really work since they tried to make her world weary… I mean she really must have learned from the older girls at the orphanage at least.
        Regardless you just have to get past one short but heavy handed speech from Anne about why you shouldn’t be ashamed of your body, and you can enjoy the girls gossiping about
        >becoming a woman
  • Jane Austen stuff
  • A Great and Terrible Beauty [part of the Gemma Doyle Trilogy novel series]
    • this leans slightly gothic, but its a more fantasy than gothic in my mind
  • Bright Young Things [movie, 2003]
    • slightly later time period than usually gets associated with lolita, but it really captures the infighting and bitchiness of all girl subcultures
  • Marie Antoinette [movie 2006]
  • Dolls by Yumiko Kawahara [manga short stories]
    • Dolls by Yumiko Kawahara has some great illustrations, I also love the corrupted kind of feeling the stories have. A bit like Pet Shop of Horrors.
      >Though the one-shots are strange.
  • Ikoku Meiro no Croisee [manga, anime, 2011]
    • Japanese girl comes to Paris in the 19th century. Really nice slice of life, too bad it’s not well known
    • Croisée in a Foreign Labyrinth
  • Candy Candy [manga, anime, 1975]
  • The Decameron by Giovanni Boccaccio [collection of novellas, 14th century]
  • The Man Who Mistook His Wife for a Hat by Oliver Sacks [book of essays, 1985]
  • The Loved Dead and Other Tales by C.M. Eddy Jr. [short story collection]
    • (Part of an H.P Lovecraft collection later, he did not get enough credit for his work in the story “The Loved Dead”)
  • Dellamorte Dellamore (AKA Cemetery Man) by Michele Soavi [movie, 1994]
  • Man Bites Dog by Benoît Poelvoorde, Rémy Belvaux and André Bonzel [movie, 1992]
  • The Man Who Laughs by Paul Leni [movie, 1928]
    • (My favorite movie of all time)
  • GeGeGe no Kitaro by Shigeru Mizuki [manga]
  • So Pretty/Very Rotten [book of essays, 2017]
    • “In a series of essays and comics that are at once academic and intimate, cartoonists Jane Mai and An Nguyen delve into Lolita subculture and their relationship with it. Empowering and beautiful, but also inescapably linked to consumerism, the Rococo-inspired fashion is indulgent and sublime, pretty and rotten.”
  • Stepping on Roses [manga]
    • Stepping on Roses is a good manga with a lot of outfits inspired by Lolita fashion.
  • The Pearl [erotic magazine, 1880]
    • If you’re interested in something a little more adult… The Pearl is an entertaining read.
      https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Pearl
    • Thank you for linking this. I blushed all through the first story, so it’s a good read. Any more adult recs?
  • The Undrowned Child by Michelle Lovric [novel series]
    • A good classic/gothic Lolita book with that kind of winsome macabre, very much a dark Victorian style fairytale. Beautiful, almost singsong prose, and fans of mangas like Cardcaptor Sakura and Gakuen Alice might enjoy the characters.
  • Wonderful World End [movie, 2015]
    • kind of hard to find, but really good.
  • Russian cartoon adaptations of Cinderella and The Nutcracker [animation]
  • Alice in the Country of Hearts [manga, otome game]
    • The manga is based on an otome game and it’s pretty enjoyable, really nicely illustrated too!
  • My Fair Lady [movie, 1964]

    • >tfw ctrl+f and no My Fair Lady
      Please tell me I’m not the only gull who sees the applicability of lolita to a story about a common flower girl who learns proper speech and etiquette and also gets to wear really big hats
    • the lack of audrey hepburn films in this thread in general astounds me
    • As for Audrey Hepburn movies, My Fair Lady is lolita esque in story, but if we’re talking clothes, I’m torn between Funny Face and Roman Holiday for Hepburn’s more EGL movie.
  • The Borgias [television series, 2011]
    • The costumes themselves may not be egl (though the first season palettes for Lucrezias are pure sweet, where the second season jewel tones are perfect for classic, and the third season metallics good for classic/aristo) but Lucrezias journey from gentle and pure to ruthless and cunning seem pretty tonally right.
    • Lucrezia and Giulia’s gowns were always A+. Renaissance inspired lolita needs to be a thing. Detachable sleeves, high waist, and chiffon blouses already exist. It’d only take a bit of tweaking to get there.
  • Elisabeth [musical, movies]
    • Has anyone mentioned the Austrian (and Takarazuka) musical Elisabeth? A story set around a royal woman driven to ennui by her pampered royal life and growing increasingly obsessed with the personification of death and her own fantasies of being Titania in a fairy world as well as the ‘Death and the Maiden’ storyline seems perf for EGL.
    • In general, I would recommend the 1950ies movies about Empress Elisabeth with Romy Schneider, they are called “Sissi” and feature amazing dresses, drama, romance and the struggles of a pampered country girl having to become the empress of an empire.

    • Innocent world also designed a dress after Empress Sissi’s hen’s night dress, so even more lolita relevance
    • Sissi is so good. I’d also suggest the movie Ludwig directed by Luchino Visconti. Romy Schneider of Sissi reprises her role as Elizabeth, but she’s a lot more worldy and jaded.
      • ooh yes! Tortured, dramatic prince with a love for the opera and a tragic death – ideal lolita material
    • I have to say I like the movie Ludwig better than I like Sissi the series. Sissi tried too hard to make the narcissistic and selfish, if indeed long suffering, Elisabeth into Cinderella.
      What I love about Ludwig and the musical is they both point out the absurd hipocrisy of Sissi’s deep infatuation with herself and her alleged suffering. While yes, rigors of court life sucked, and her mother in law was a pain, this was Europe leading up to World War One: you had wars, famines, brutal winters, people losing their families and children, and here was the Empress whining endlessly about how hard she had it.
      And her lack of empathy didn’t just cover her adopted homeland, either. She bitched and moaned about the unfairness of her mother in law raising Rudolph then when Franz Josef caved and gave Rudolph to Sissi, she couldn’t have cared less for him. Sissi never cared much for Rudolph until after he’d died, when suddenly she became the grieving mother calling for her son, further playing into the narrative she’d constructed for herself as being the victim of the world.
      Even her efforts with Hungary had more to do with her power struggle against Sofie than any kind of genuine empathy.
      I swear, between Sissi of Austria and Alexandra of Russia, World War One can be quickly summarized as: when your mother tells you not to marry that crazy bitch, don’t marry that crazy bitch.
      Sissi is for great EGL material. Momoko in SM really seemed to channel that a lot.
    • I too like the musical better, out of the same points you listed. The movies are visually beautiful and nice to watch, but they are glorifying Sissi to no end and don’t deal with her really problematic character traits and decisions.
      • I swear that Bavarian royal line was cursed. Was it Helene who had been sent to an asylum for health issues then died when the asylum had a faire to raise funds for the poor and caught fire? That whole family’s story is nothing but the mixture of the beautiful and the morbid.
      • I didn’t even know that about Helene! But I swear, the whole Habsburg family had the best drama. Modern tabloids are nothing on them.
  • Jonathan Strange and Mr. Norrell [miniseries, 2015]
    • Jonathan Strange and Mr. Norrell is a really well done mini-series. The book is even better as far as story goes. If you like eerie faerie stuff, it’s up your alley 100%.
    • Love this series!
      Really dissatisfying ending though.
  • The Last Unicorn [movie, 1982]
    • Read the book too! Its a very sort of tongue in cheek modern fairy tale (sort of like the Princess Bride) by Peter S. Beagle.
    • It was one of my fav cartoons when I was a teen. The animation looks like both anime and a cartoon, pretty cool.
  • Fall of Eagles [television series, 1974]
    • Fall of Eagles is a good TV series from the 1970s about the three major European monarchies.
  • Wolf Hall [miniseries, 2015]
    • Wolf Hall is pre rococo but I found it visually beautiful at points.

Media with Lolita Characters:

  • Shiki [anime, manga, novel series]
    • Sunako from Shiki wears brand, too bad she doesn’t appear much
  • Nana [anime, manga]
  • Paradise Kiss
    • Paradise Kiss has Miwako. Damnit though, in Paradise Kiss everyone and anyone bangs. Show me the pretty fashion designs.
  • Death Note [manga, anime]
    • there’s some 2007-era Moitie/EGL in Death Note
  • Fruits Basket [manga]
    • Someone who wears cosplay and Lolita in Fruits Basket
  • X Cross [movie, 2007]
    • Horror movie, for the sake of hilarity.
  • Gothic Lolita Psycho [movie]
    • (actually kinda shit)
    • If we’re talking of those B-grade gorefests that are amusing and feature a lolita character, Gothic Lolita Psycho is one of those. Don’t go in expecting much, just enjoy the violence and imagine yourself in her place as a lolita who can deflect bullets with her parasol.
  • Livewires by Adam Warren [comic book series]
    • I cannot recommend the comic book series Livewires based on its own merit, fashion design or execution, but it is the only comic book series I know that features a gothic lolita in a main role.
  • 2good4me from Breakbot [music video]
    • I remember a couple of years ago there was this song made in a South American country where the music video followed the day of a teen lolita as she took her brother to school, went to a meet up, and got in trouble with some punks. What was that song called?
  • Girls x Battle [mobile game]
    • Girls x Battle has some characters wearing lolita-inspired outfits. There is also an item called “Lolita Dress”, which you can give to girls as a present to gain intimacy points.
      >buy her burando to secude her

Stay engaged,

Raven

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Lifestyle Lessons: Victorian Slang

Hello, readers,

Here’s a point about the lolita lifestyle that I’ve always seen as controversial. If you want to live a lolita lifestyle, do you have to “speak like a lady?” There are lots of other ways to word this sort of idea. Sometimes I just see people saying that lolitas shouldn’t swear or talk about “crude things” like sex or alcohol (even outside of meets), and sometimes I see people suggesting that everyone speak with a contrived lady-of-the-manor vocabulary.

Personally, I don’t think either approach makes practical sense. (Especially the first one. Don’t ever feel like your lifestyle is restricting your life.) However, I am a big proponent of finding and incorporating old-fashioned things into my own life. Specifically, I am interested in Victorian England.

Without further ado, I present you with the fabulous book! It is a dictionary of Victorian slang and colloquial phrases.

(You can try and read this book while on my blog, but I recommend you just go to the book on Archive.org. It will be a lot easier to read. Curse you, limited embedding functionality!)

There is a pretty, modern reprint that’s known as Ware’s Victorian Dictionary of Slang and Phrase, but its original title was Passing English of the Victorian Era: A Dictionary of Hererodox English, Slang, and Phrase. You could buy a physical copy of this book if you wanted to (I’m sure it would look fantastic on any bookshelf), but you can read the whole thing online for free thanks to Archive.org. There is also a less expensive, less pretty paperback reprint just called The Victorian Dictionary of Slang & Phrase.

From what I’ve casually read about the author, it seems that James Redding Ware was a journalist that tried to record all the lovely slang he remembered being in use during the 19th century before it disappeared forever. I, for one, am very grateful for his efforts. This book was first published in 1909, so it’s probably safe to assume that most of this slang was in use during the mid- to late-Victorian era. Potentially, some of these words and phrases were already obsolete by the time this dictionary was published.

I like going through this book and seeing if there are any expressions that I’d like to take up again. There is a lot of combing that you have to do to find really good ones (I think “basket of oranges” is very funny), but it’s also possible to find some slang terms that we still use today. Some notable ones located in the B section are “bad egg,” “to back down,” “to badger,” and “bark up the wrong tree.” A lot of those were originally American phrases, and they are still in use here. Also, If you look up “Tom,” it’s easy to see how we got tomboy. How cool is that!

Anyway, I just wanted to write up this quick little post to share something amazing with all of you. I hope you go through it and find something wonderful.

Stay bricky,

Raven

Let’s Read the English Gothic & Lolita Bibles: Volume 4

Hello, readers,

I hope you’re excited for this month’s “let’s read.”

Today, we’re reading the fourth volume of the Gothic & Lolita Bible. I couldn’t really identify a theme this time. Volume 1 is princesses, Volume 2 is flowers, Volume 3 is Halloween, and Volume 5 is weddings. What is this one? The only thing I could find in multiple places in this mook is “renaissance du gothic lolita.” And that is what exactly? My best guess as to what it actually means is the beginnings of new school lolita. It’s the Winter 2008 publication, so I guess the dates make sense if that’s the theme they were going for. There’s just so much oldschool style in this mook that I don’t really think their theme worked out, if new school is even what they were going for.

The first few pages are taken up by rules for a contest, and the letters from the editor and from readers.

Pages 10-11: Oh Maiden, Advance with a Sword and a Rose. This piece is written by Arika Takarano of ALI PROJECT, who also modeled for the two photographs included with this feature. Reading this makes me feel all warm and fuzzy. It is the quintessential spirit of oldschool lolita. I really wish I could reprint the whole thing here, but instead have some excerpts (The text was so tiny that I didn’t think there was a point to including a scan in this post.):

  • “I wonder what made you become Lolita? Is it because you wanted to  wear cute clothes? Because you like lace and frills? Because you wanted to be like someone? Or was it because you wanted to become cute so you’d be popular with the guys? / No, no, that’s impossible, isn’t it? After all, Lolita isn’t something with which you worry about what guys think! I bet your answer is something like this, ‘Before I knew it, I was a Lolita maiden.'”
  • “This is what I think: Gothic and Lolita clothes are a maiden’s armor, which even a knight’s armor cannot compare to. A maiden’s lace is her steel. Her ribbons are chains. Her dress hat is her hemet, and she surreptitiously changes the blood that flows from her wounds into true red rose petals. Thus, the maiden fights. After all, to live is to fight, and to become beautiful is to become stronger.”
  • “Say, I can see wings on your back elegant wings, with the luster of velvet. Please keep flying freely, without fear. Even if someone should hurt you, you will end up landing in the right place. I know this well, because once upon a time, I was like you, too.”

Reading this feature makes me feel dreamy again.

Pages 12-18: The patterns.

Most of these patterns are knitting/crochet patterns for accessories. There’s nothing wrong with that, and I think a winter edition is perfect for knitting patterns, but I just wish there was some other sewing pattern of substance besides the skirt and fur muff/capelet.

Pages 19-21: An interview with the fashionable Arika Takarano of ALI PROJECT. It’s cool that the interview with her shows up so close to her other feature, but I honestly skipped reading it because I’ve never listened to ALI PROJECT.

Pages 22-37: Brand advertisements for Baby, the Stars Shine Bright, Alice and the Pirates, Angelic Pretty, Atelier Boz, Black Peace Now, h.NAOTO, Innocent World, metamorphose temps de fille, and PUTUMAYO. Two of the Innocent World pages served as a combination advertisement and contest/prizes announcement. The beginning Baby ad pages also served as “princess instructions.”

Five Provisions for Princesses:

  1. She shall have a pure and sublime heart, always.
  2. She shall have a kind heart with which to treat everyone with kindness.
  3. She shall extol beautiful smiles, always.
  4. She shall be mindful of beautiful words and behaviors.
  5. She shall be mindful of clothes to fit the time, place, and occasion.

With the Alice and the Pirates ads comes a description of Princess in the Dark: “A sharp glance, and sometimes an expression of ennui… When the curtain of night falls, the Princess, now free from her followers and alone, gives rest to her smile and begins conversing with her ‘real self.'”

Pages 42-43: Personal faves with Clair Belton. This is a very short, light sort of interview, but I love that they included so many pictures.

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Maybe you recognize her name or art style. Can you guess who she made?

I’m really happy for her that she found success. While her people illustrations aren’t my favorite, her style for non-humans is really cute, and Pusheen is a treasure.

Page 47: Another installment of Needs More Lace! Huzzah!
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This story is super cute. It’s a shame that the dress Ian gets her, which has to be costumey at least, doesn’t look bad at all in the comic. I would actually really love a dress like that (or at least how it’s drawn). Does that mean I have ita taste? Oh noooo!

Pages 50-59: These pages are devoted to step-by-step instructions on how to do various hair styles. My hair is curly and does not straighten well, so I have no use for this information. Also, the pictures and instructions are super tiny, so you need to go find an actual nice quality scan of this G&LB if you’re curious about the information.

Pages 60-69: Street snaps! There were some from the UK, but most were from Japan. There were not photos this time around that I found particularly memorable, but I do love looking through them.

Pages 70-80: Event snaps. Most of the pictures were coord shots, so it was basically a continuation of the previous street snaps.

Pages 81-83: Readers’ snaps.

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More continuous pictures of lolitas, but this section has one of my favorite lolita photos of all time. I absolutely adore the gothic lolita on this page. Firstly, I love her coord and how pared-down it is. Secondly, I wish more people did these sorts of conceptual photo shoots more often.

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I love this piece. In addition to being useful, the art is adorable. The red-headed girl in the maroon skirt looks especially pleased with herself. My favorite thing about this feature is that it sticks with the advise of “if it ‘fits,’ but looks wrong, then it doesn’t fit.” As a plus-sized lolita myself, I really can’t stress that point enough. Lolitas now have so many more options when it comes to custom sizing than were available in 2009. It might be a little harder to build a big, full lolita wardrobe if you have plus-sized measurements, but it can be done. More importantly, it can be done well. Trust me, you’ll be happier wearing clothes that fit well, even if it takes some time to get them.

Pages 94-97: Cause for Celebration photo shoot. The models all look like they’re having a good time, but they’re shooting in Party City. Does anyone else find that super distracting? Is it just me?

Page 98: Social Event Etiquette from Jillian Venters.

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When this volume of the G&LB was published, the Gothic Charm School book had not even been published. (I have a review for that book here.) There were parts of that book which felt very outdated when I read it in 2015 that dealt with the internet, and this feature suffers from a lot of the same problems. The lolita communities I know are based very much online, and they organize their face-to-face meet-ups with Facebook. While I would love to send and receive real invitations for meet-ups instead of getting the invite via Facebook, there are honestly very few people from my comm that I would want to have my address. Perhaps I’m weird, and perhaps most people would not mind lots of local strangers having their addresses, but I just don’t think that mail invitations and thank-you notes are something really viable in the current lolita scene. Readers, how do you feel about this? (Please let me know in the comments!)

pages 110-111: Tote bag tutorial.

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I think that this was a nice idea, but they really failed in design execution. The sweet and gothic bags just look tacky, and the classic one looks dingy and faded. (Seriously, though, what is going on with that tragic gothic bag?) However, these are solid instruction for making a reversible tote bag. You could easily use these same steps to end up with a much nicer tote that could match your wardrobe.

Pages 118-119: The Prose Poem of the Elizabethan Collar. This poem is also somehow the Royal Gothic Lolita Theatre of Nonsense. This story is certainly very strange. It honestly reminded me of the Rocky Horror Picture Show with the way more and more elements kept being brought in. Beyond that, the story was just hard to read because of the illustrated purple bubbles made it hard to see the contrast of the text.

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I included a scan partially so you could see the absolutely lovely illustration and partially so you can see the bubble problem. It’s such a pretty touch, but I wish they were more transparent for legibility’s sake. I’m mostly unsure of my feelings towards this story. It’s very weird.

Page 120: G&LB Volume 4 cover-inspired photograph.

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I’m just a sucker for these sorts of things. I love seeing people dressed like illustrations or paintings, and I think this was a really cool cover for this idea. (Thank heavens they didn’t do a shoot based on Volume 3’s cover! Although it’s sure to have looked less horrifying with human proportions…) Even though I don’t like either pink or sweet, I’ve always liked this set. It’s always seemed so silly and fun, but I think it looks quite good in the mix-n-match section at the bottom.

Lastly, here’s the manga. Please click on the last picture in this gallery first and then move towards the left. I tried to keep the original layout as best I could.

How disappointing that the second half of this story is completely monochrome! The previous half was so much more interesting because of all the pink. It would have been very cool if the second half had a different accent color, but to go back to being printed in black and white seems much more the result of a printing budget and not an artistic choice. Such a shame, too. I really like the character design in this part.

And that’s the end of this mook.

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This one is definitely not my favorite of the English G&LBs. They didn’t include any recipes or quizzes, and the patterns were disappointing. I also didn’t like that there wasn’t a real theme. A gifting theme would have been welcome in the winter edition, and probably quite nice/helpful, too. Ah, well.

Check back next month for a “let’s read” of the final volume of the English Gothic & Lolita Bible!

Stay “Looking Your Best,”

Raven

Let’s Read the English Gothic & Lolita Bibles: Volume 3

Hello, readers,

It’s been a while since I posted about getting the full set of the English G&LB, so I apologize that it has taken so long to getting to the “let’s read” posts. If you don’t know what the Gothic & Lolita Bibles are, or if you’re curious as to why I’m not covering volumes 1 and 2, feel free to read my introductory post to this series.

Note: These scans are not the best quality. I did not want to spend hours adjusting and retouching them because that’s not the point of this post. There are sources online where you can find legible scans if you want to read along but don’t have your own copy.

Let me just start out this post by saying that this cover has always creeped me out. When I was first trying to find out about lolita at 15, I got this mook out from the library and was instantly horrified and super embarrassed when I saw its cover because I just thought it was so weird. These were mooks about lolita, right? Then why was the cover so ugly? I’m pretty neutral about this cover now, but it made such an impression on me when I was younger.

Enough about me. Let’s dive into the Halloween themed August 2008 mook! (I won’t be covering every page, just those about which I have something to say.)

I’ll be honest, though, I always skip through all the beginning pages of magazines. This mook starts out with the table of contents, an ad for Angelic Pretty with a list of all their store locations, the staff page, an ad for Japanese “pop fashion” website that’s closed now, letters from the editors, and “Letters from Our Readers.” Despite the fact that this is volume 3, the letters all seem to be in response to volume 1, or even in response the the release of the English language translations in general.

Now we come to the first “real” page, a comic drawn by a Western lolita!

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I really love this comic. Her art style is endearing, she’s in punk lolita, and she’s pining after a spooky Halloween dress (which makes sense, since this is the Halloween edition). Also, it warms my heart to see that this comic is entirely relevant to lolita today, too. Does anyone know if Lilly Higgs did any more lolita comics after the English G&LB shut down?

Pages 10-15: This is one of Mana’s Moi-meme-Moitie photostories, with a page at the end of him talking about various things and a feature of MmM’s Autumn 2007 collection. I am tempted to just call this a regular photoshoot and dismiss the “story” for its lack of continuity, but all the mini stories relate to the setting, which is a “faithful reproduction of a medieval aristocrat’s manor.” Mana seemed to really like this location for the photoshoot. If you like Mana, you’d probably like the “Words from Mana” section. He talks about his impressions from the photoshoot, the various pieces of the MmM collection he wore during the photoshoot, and he gives a general update on the band Moi dix Mois. Also, the super-special feature is “About Parties,” which I found endearing. Out of nowhere, he gives advice: “I think the most essential thing to remember when you attend a party is your modesty and elegance as a lady.” He also talks about a movie he likes, the 1970 Bram Stoker’s Count Dracula, and comments on it.

Page 21: Voltaire Music Video Report. This was a really cool little feature. A dark vaudeville/cabaret musician Voltaire invited goths and lolitas to be extras in his music video for “Happy Birthday (My Olde Friend).” That’s really neat. Here’s the music video, too, so you can see everyone in action and actually hear the song.

Pages 22-25: Party Style! “Together with the members of Megamasso… here we reveal our tips for hosting a fashionable party, including essential rules of etiquette we hope Gothic and Lolita fans find useful!” This etiquette guide is actually quite helpful. The text on the actual guide pages of 24 and 25 is so small that there was no point including a scan here. I wish they would have made the (admittedly cute) pictures of the band smaller and spread the information over all four pages.

Pages 26-39: Brand advertisements from Angelic Pretty, Atelier Boz, Baby, the Stars Shine Bright, Black Peace Now, h.NAOTO, Innocent World, and Putomayo.

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I don’t know about you, but it was surreal for me to see “Radioactive Cupcakes” being advertised. I know this dress is infamous, but I don’t think it looks that bad in the lighter, washed-out colorway. (Then again, a lot of sweet looks the same to me.) The hot pink one looks obnoxious, and the black one looks gross. Hmm… Maybe it actually does look gross even in the ad.

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I don’t know if you can tell in this scan, but the Innocent World ad is terrible quality. The two pictures of the models are wildly different resolutions from the rest of the layout, and they look blurry and pixelated. It’s very obvious in person and such a weird thing.

Pages 40-43: This is an interview with Hirooka Naoto, designer of h.NAOTO. He seemed really guarded during this interview. Maybe it’s because there were no descriptions of his actions while the interview was being held?

Pages 44-47: These are ads for U.S. lolita brands Blasphemina’s Closet, Candy Violet, and Megan Maude. Looking at these clothing ads makes me really sad because none of these labels really does lolita anymore. The last page is a collection of Western brand shoes.

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It’s tempting to say that a lot of these shoe styles are not considered loliable now, but they may not have been put in this group because they were ever loliable at all. This is the Gothic AND Lolita Bible, after all.

Pages 50-53: Hollowed and Haunted. I cannot truly express how beautiful I think this lolita x urban exploration photoshoot is. When I first picked up this mook, this little four-page section took my breath away. This picture may have made me fall in love with lolita fashion, but this photoshoot made me fall in love with the lifestyle.

Pages 56-61: Halloween (and Party) Hair & Makeup


I was not a fan of the Halloween looks or advice. Did anyone else shudder when they saw how bad that blonde wig on Little Red Riding Hood is? I really like the “party” pages, though. I think it’s super interesting to see what the differences are supposed to be between the different styles. (A minor irritation: “gothic lolita” should have gone between “gothic” and “lolita,” not first.) In terms of what I actually think about these looks, “gothic lolita” looks like sweet lolita, “gothic” looks like gothic lolita, and “lolita” looks like classic lolita. Maybe I’ll specifically try out these looks and update this post with a comparison shot later.

Page 63: Twisted Treats for Halloween

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While I’m super excited that this GLB had recipes, I can’t help but be disappointed with the inclusion of decorated cupcakes. I honestly don’t like decorated cupcakes,  but I would like to see more diversity in sweet treats in general. (Radioactive) Cupcakes are everywhere!

Pages 64-69: The Sewing Patterns

Pages 70-71: Novala Takemoto story “bear’s party in the forest.” I never know what to say about his short fiction. I have to believe that something really crucial gets lost in translation if he’s the writer with the most lolita spirit. The ideal of lolita and the text I read from him never evoke or compliment one another. This piece is Alice in Wonderland fanfiction.

Pages 77-83: Street Snaps! I adore seeing oldschool in action.

Pages 87-100: A lot of these pages are filled with event snaps, a lot of them from Western events. That’s cool, but I don’t get any enjoyment from reading these features and the photos are generally more chaotic than the street snaps.

Page 101: Sweets & Treats Quiz

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If you take this quiz, let me know your results in the comments. I got “cupcake,” even when I chose different answers for “I love mixing and matching styles.” I suppose the description of cupcake fits me better than the other two, so at least the quiz is fairly accurate on my end.

Pages 110-117: Readers’ Snaps and Reader Spotlight. I really love these simple outfits. These are much more my style than most modern lolita coords I’ve seen the past couple of years. The middle and right coords of the top row of the page pictured below are my favorites.

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I also really enjoyed the reader spotlight on Angel, but I didn’t want to scan it all. The section ended with a special message from her: “Clothes can be wings or chains. Take pride in the things you love and let them take you to wonderful places.”

Pages 122-128: To close this issue, we have the manga at the end. Please click on the last picture in this gallery first, and then click towards the left. I tried to keep the original reading layout as best as I could.

That’s it. We’ve reached the end of our journey together. I hope you had fun reading with me or reminiscing about this mook. Stay on the lookout for my posts about volumes 4 and 5!

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Stay spooky,

Raven

Lolita Library: Gothic Charm School

Hello, readers,

I don’t know how many of you have read Gothic Charm School before (either the book or the blog), but I’m going to review the book for you all today. I can’t remember where I got the impression, but I feel like this is one of those books lolitas think they can appropriate by mentally replacing “goth” with “lolita.” How true is that? Well, I’ll go into detail below.

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General Book Review:

If you’re looking for an etiquette manual, this book is not it. It calls itself a guidebook, and Gothic Charm School does have some practical, goth-specific advice in it, but that is interspersed between lots of general “common sense, be polite” advice.

Also, I really don’t think that this book was really intended to be read cover to cover. This might be a remnant of its original blog format, but the book is incredibly repetitive. This is actually pretty nice if you just plan on reading just the couple of chapters that you think are pertinent because you’ll get everything the book has to say just in that selection. If you read a majority of the book, or the whole thing, be prepared to be frustrated.

Speaking of being frustrated, I really should comment on the “Lady of the Manners” persona that Venters puts on during this book: it’s excessive. Whether or not its persistence and silliness makes it endearing or aggravating is going to change based on the reader. For my part, I was mostly ambivalent towards it, but leaning towards annoyed. Then again, “The Lady of the Manners” thing may not be a big deal if you only read selected chapters instead of the whole book. For me, the saving grace was that she addresses the whole persona thing at the beginning, which at least makes it explicit that it’s meant to be lighthearted and fun.

The intended audience for this book is a mixed bag, with some passages explicitly targeted at high schoolers (maybe middle schoolers, as well), and some passages about professional job interviews. In general, this seems to be aimed at “young” goths, as in people who are new to the goth subculture. (There’s no advice here for Eldergoths, but there’s a lot of explanations about typical Eldergoth behavior towards newbies.) If anyone picked up this book specifically to learn about goths and what weird phase their devil-child is going through, there’s an entire chapter specifically for that (and it explains that goth might not be a phase and that devil-worship is not part of being goth). In general, though, the depiction of the goth subculture in this book is that of a bunch of silly, happy people spending half their energy on loving what they love and the other half on convincing everyone that “this is serious, guys.” It’s a sympathetic portrayal, which I suppose you could expect since Venters is a goth herself.

My main critiques for the content is that it all comes from Venters’s personal bubble. There’s only so much advice you can give outside of your personal experience, but I wish more of an effort had been made to talk to/about goths and not just similar-to-her goths. In the debate about music or fashion being most essential to gothness, she comes down on the side of fashion, and that’s very obvious throughout. Even in the fashion section, there is no mention of simple band T-shirts as wardrobe basics. Also, though she mentions in her wardrobe building guide that she’s trying to include men, the advise for men is quite watery and insubstantial. (She further insists that women have at least two blazers, which is obviously coming from her own fashion style. It rubbed me the wrong way.) Her advice is mostly meant for suburban and urban (American) goths and gothlings, and there is no special attention given to goths in rural areas or small towns. However, what I find most upsetting is that she really perpetuates the “all goths have very pale skin” stereotype, which is problematic and exclusionary.

Content and structure aside, I really love this book as a material object. The watermark on all the pages is a nice touch, and the illustrations are fantastic. They visually represent a lot of the goth diversity that the text homogenizes, although everyone is still paper white. Here are a few of my favorites:

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Lolita Book Review:

While Gothic Charm School doesn’t talk about lolita fashion, I’ve gone through and figured out which sections work for the replacing “goth” with “lolita” trick. As far as I know, there’s only one edition of this book, so I’ll reference page numbers to hopefully make looking things up easier.

If you’re a lolita in high school, some particular sections that might apply to you are pages 79-86.

Chapter 1: Am I a Goth?

  • Why you shouldn’t believe everything you read on the Internet, including those silly quizzes (25-29)

Chapter 2: I’m Not a Goth, But I Have Some Questions About Them

  • Can I comment on their clothing or makeup and ask if they make their own clothes? (39-46)
    • This is meant to be read by non-goths (or non-lolitas, in our reading), but I think it’s comforting to see that other alternative fashions deal with a lot of the same reactions that lolita provokes (mainly the unwanted touching or picture-taking). In this case, read it, but don’t substitute lolita in.
  • A few words for the Goths reading this chapter (46-48)
    • Go back to filling in “lolita” here, but some of the examples are really goth-specific and might not make the most sense in the reread here.

Chapter 4: Help! I’m a Goth and My Parent/Friend/Significant Other/Coworker Doesn’t Understand Me!

  • How to reassure people you aren’t a Satanist, drug fiend, or psycho killer (75-79)
    • This is another section that you should read for solidarity without trying to apply it to lolita. If this was written for lolitas, it would probably be called “How to reassure people you aren’t a delusional doll/princess trying to have sex with pedophiles.” There are some general strategies in this section for explaining away misconceptions, though.
  • Dealing with roommates (86-91)
    • This is a pretty solid section all around.

Chapter 6: Goths and Romance

  • The whole chapter (115-143)
    • This was probably my favorite chapter. It does a good job of filtering general relationship advice and questions through the particular concerns that someone in a subculture or alternative community might have. It also offers some suggestions for your behavior towards friends’ relationships or relationships you aren’t involved in. There are obviously some things that won’t apply to lolitas in general or to you specifically, but I think that those are few-and-far-between enough to suggest the whole chapter.

Chapter 7: Socializing, Cliques, and Gossip

  • Mostly the whole chapter (145-157, 165-167)
    • The two sections I don’t recommend are about the blurring and overlap between the goth and fetish subcultures, which seemed too specific to speak to general subculture crossovers, and the section about internet behavior, which read as very old and out-of-date. (This book was published in 2009, after all.)
    • There are obviously a lot of lolita-specific things that you can think about while reading this chapter, including /cgl/ and secrets/behind the bows, when Venters talks about gossip in general.
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    • The little illustration of a gothic lolita appears in this chapter, right next to the sections that talk about self-absorption, exclusivity, and snobbishness. Coincidence? Probably, but I found it amusing.

Chapter 8: Fashion – One of the Great Goth Obsessions

  • Dress codes (both spoken and unspoken) (182-185)
    • The section is super short, and it’s basically just meant to convey the idea that sometimes you just can’t dress how you want, and you must get over it. There’s a brief talk about “goth costumes” that I think lolitas can relate to well.
  • What to do when people ask you why you’re dressed like that (186-189)
    • If you replace “goth” with “lolita” here, it’s the same advice that the community has handed down since it began, but sometimes it’s nice to see things written down.

 

 

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Final Verdict

Is it worth it to add to your lolita library? Maybe. Get it if you like a lighthearted take on the goth subculture or if you’re a fan of the blog Gothic Charm School. Otherwise, no, I don’t think it’s worth buying to read about 1/3 of the book. Get it from your local library if you can, like I did.

Stay polite,

Raven