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/cgl/ Roundup: “Lolita books, films and series”

Hello, readers,

In an effort to preserve some of the best content that appears on the wonderful (but unfortunately ephemeral) /cgl/ on 4chan, here’s a curated (and heavily edited) summary of the thread ” Lolita books, films and series” started by Anonymous on 06/07/17.

The recommendations are the left-most bullet point (bolded), and all the other bullet points are discussions from the contributors. It might be a bit hard to read this post, but there are so many good recommendations in here that it’s worth it to get through the information overload.

Disclaimer: While the thread was active, I made only one contribution. (If you think you know what that was, please let me know in the comments below!) The only claim I have on the words below is that I curated and edited them.

Original thread, with pictures (for as long as this link works)

OP, 6/07/17:

It doesn’t necessarily have to be about lolita fashion itself, it can be a gothic novel, art from a fairytale, a beautiful film, brand collab related etc…

Anon, 6/28/17:

I noticed the thread’s dying but I just wanted to say thanks to everyone who posted, this is a great thread! So many new things to look up!

Artists, Authors, Illustrators, Poets, People

  • Shigeru Mizuki [artist]
    • I’ve always wondered why Juliette et Justine did Shigeru Mizuki prints
    • because his work is absolutely gorgeous
  • Mihara Mitsukazu [illustrator, manga artist]
  • Any documentary with Lucy Worsley in it.
    • Fuck yeah. She’s always so chipper and into every subject she presents.
    • Lucy Worsley is the best.
  • Edgar Allen Poe [writer, poet]
  • Arthur Machen [author]
    • I’m a huge fan of the works of Arthur Machen, and I think a lot of lolitas would enjoy it as well. Weird fiction from the Edwardian era primarily, he was a big influence on HP Lovecraft
    • The White People is great, it follows a young Victorian girl encountering strange beings in the woods of Wales. Very atmospheric. Pretty much all of them are good with the exception of the one WW1 propaganda story of his.
  • Kaori Yuki [manga artist]
    • Almost anything by Kaori Yuki
      Gothic bliss
    • I absolutely love Godchild.
  • Edward Gorey [illustrator, writer]
    • I’ve been really digging Edward Gorey’s work lately. His silhouettes are definitely long and thin (mix of Edwardian and 1920s flappers?), but but I get massive gothic aesthetic feels from it. I finally got a copy of the Gashlycrumb Tinies (alphabet book) for my birthday, and it’s perfect.He was a nonsense writer, so if you like Lewis Carroll’s writing you might like his.
    • I am in love with his Amphigorey books!!
      the illustrations for Gashlycrumb had me in stitches. I was able to write a paper about his work for a children’s lit class I took at uni.
      I never thought of actually owning any copies until now. thanks anon!

Media

  • The Secret Garden [movie, 1993]
  • Lolita, Vladimir Nabokov [novel]
    • Everyone knows that Nabokov’s Lolita is the only book that matters
    • It’s good literature.
    • I know it’s bait, but I’ll address it since some newcomers might be interested: Good literature, yeah, but ironically Lolita is unrelated to the fashion and lifestyle as defined by the Japanese fashion and subculture Lolita.It lacks any of the key icons of the major styles in egl fashion: opulence, elegance, cuteness, whimsicality, beauty contrasted with horror, fantasy, gothic imagery, or escapism.
      Dolores is a regular girl her age, ironically enough nothing about Lolita (Dolores in the book) is Lolita (the Japanese style.) Dolores is a regular girl with regular clothes and a regular lifestyle, the book is not so much about her or anything particularly remarkable about her so much as it’s about what obsession looks like through the eyes of an already deranged and sick man who justifies acts of increasing mania by trying to build up his pedophilic obsession into some kind of transcendental love. We use the term monster to see deranged people as inhuman, Nabokov used Lolita to show how a deranged person is not inhuman, but far more terrifyingly, how a deranged person is a human who twists logic and reality in order to justify their acts, no matter how horrific those acts may be.
      Damn good reading, but not if you’re looking to get lost in the EGL aesthetic. One of the best books I don’t think I could ever read again.
    • It is pretty good, every lolita should read it, not because it’s related to the fashion but for general culture.
  • Brideshead Revisited [miniseries, 1981]
    • Not lolita but the original Brideshead Revisited miniseries gives me lolita feels < 3
  • Rose of Versailles [manga, anime, 1979]
    • Rose of Versailles, the only relevant manga
  • Farewell, My Queen [movie, 2012]
  • The Company of Wolves [movie, 1984]
  • Mirror, Mirror [television series, 1995]
  • La Belle et la Bête [movie, 2014]
    • YES. So much better than that recent Disney abortion.
    • Overall I liked the Disney version better but the French version had infinitely better aesthetics. The French plot felt more fairytale-ish in good and bad ways. The largest drawback for me was that I never cared about a single one of the characters, I didn’t care at all whether they had a happy ending or not. At least in the Disney movie I liked the characters even if the visuals were disappointing.
    • Belle in La Belle et La Bete was just unobjectionable to the point of blandness. I can’t say I disliked her or liked her because she was just kind of there.But I did prefer the Beast’s story in the French version. I loved the Greek mythological/old world (like Friedrich La Motte Fouque) tragic backstory, if only because I absolutely was not expecting it.
  • Friedrich de la Motte Fouqué’s Undine [fairy tale novella]
  • Goethe’s Faust [play, late 18th century]
  • Les Orientales by Victor Hugo [collection of poems, 1829]
  • Shimotsuma Story/Kamikaze Girls/Shimotsuma Monogatari [movie, 2004, novel]
  • A Little Princess [movie, novel]
    • I would go for the 1986 adaptation, as it follows the book more accurately. (And by that I mean follows it.. at all) It really nails all of the feels.
    • I hate the adaptations where the father lives. It completely undermines the point of the book.
  • Deka Wanko [manga, television series, 2011]
    • I saw deka wanko was posted once in a thread similar to this! The post convinced me watch it (plus it was pretty short already), and I liked it. The main character is pretty cute!
    • There’s a Japanese TV show that has a young girl detective that wears JFash that was posted here awhile back but I can’t at all remember what it is was called – hopefully someone does, because I definitely wanna watch it again.
  • Valmont/Dangerous Liasons [movie (1989 or 1988), novel]
    • Valmont for the movie but Dangerous Liasons for the book (Same story)
    • Dangerous Liasons – this one’s a given
  • The Way We Live Now [miniseries, 2001]
    • The Way We Live Now is one of my favorite period dramas…. it’s really long though. I usually only make it through the first half. Has Mathew Macfayden (Mr. Darcy in the newer P&P) and Cilian Murphy (played Scarecrow in Batman) in it, so for eye-candy alone it’s worth a watch.
  • American Girl [dolls, books, movies]

    • Any of the American Girl books or movies! The movies have great costuming and music, and the books are so nostalgic.These dolls and books are probably the reason why I love dressing up so much and why I wear lolita now.
    • Why am I so ooooold!?! I want to have a matching historically accurate doll with an overmarketed cross-media franchise that I can attend the posh dolly hair salon with!
      Maybe they won’t care I’m like 20+ years too old…?
    • I will make a Kirsten St. Lucia coord before I die…

 

 

  • Versailles [television series, 2015]
    • Versailles is fantastic.
    • I’m glad another anon likes it. I originally flicked through it for the outfits but now I’m hooked on the story.
    • Watched the whole series, and loved it. HATED the modern music score though. Totally took me out.
  • The Star of Cottonland [manga, movie, 1984]
    • The Star of Cottonland always gives me feels and the aesthetics are wonderful
  • Innocent [manga]
    • The manga Innocent is one of my favorites. Extremely gothic, outstanding artwork and of course the period it’s set in is gorgeous.
    • I hadn’t realized the series had completed and is on a spin-off now. Re-reading it and even with a poor quality scan I can’t help but want to share this with more people. I really hope there’s a few people ITT who check it out or have some similar manga to recommend!
    • anon, thanks for sharing this. i’ve just started reading–only on chapter 8–but already the exquisite art and the morbid theme have me hooked.
  • Mizterr Rokoko/Mister Rococo/Loliwrestler [short film, 2010]
    • Loliwrestler is best minimovie
  • Bleuette [dolls]
  • Perfume: The Story of a Murderer [movie, 2006]
    • the colors in Perfume are so vibrant. I love the wardrobe.
  • Tale of Tales [movie, 2015]
  • Casanova [miniseries, 2005, movie, 2005]
  • Quills [movie, 2000]
    • I actually think of Quills as really fun and kind of mischievous and it’s one of my favorites because of that. It’s a really playful take on Marquis de Sade’s erotic nature and the literature he wrote.
  • Jim Henson’s The Storyteller [television series, 1980s]
  • Pan’s Labyrinth [movie, 2006]
  • Jim Henson’s Labyrinth [movie, 1986]
  • Harlots [television series, 2017]
  • Fatal Frame/Gekijōban Zero [movie, 2014]
    • not nearly as scary as the games, but very spooky & also has a creepy lolita dame featured
  • Le Roi Danse [movie, 2000]
    • some good ol’ fashioned Louis XIV and his lavish fucking house
  • Livid/Livide [movie, 2011]
    • French horror film about a ballet school, also vampires.
  • Memories of Matsuko [movie, 2006]
    • musical directed by the same dude who made kamikaze girls, just as quirky but also terribly sad with musical numbers!! watch this if you need to rend your heart to shreds.
  • Gormenghast [novel series, miniseries, 2000]
    • BBC miniseries based on Mervyn Peake’s novels, a gothic ‘fantasy of manners’ type thing with a young and incredibly beautiful Jonathan Rhys Meyers in period costume. ’nuff said.
    • Can’t believe I forgot, but the Gormenghast series of novels is a must for gothic fiction. I haven’t seen the BBC television adaptation, but they are typically good about it.
  • Mala Morska Vila [movie, 1975]
    • beautiful russian adaptation of the little mermaid. the soundtrack is superb. spring to get a high-def version instead of watching it on youtube for the costume design.
  • Panna A Netvor [movie, 1978]
    • quintessential must-see for any gothic lolita, a czech adaptation of beauty and the beast. if you like gargoyles, crumbling castles, organ music and stockholm syndrome, this is the movie for you.
  • Return to Oz [movie, 1985]
    • if you liked ‘alice in wonderland’ but felt like it wasn’t creepy enough, try this!
  • The Affair of the Necklace [movie, 2001]
    • the real life drama for this was interesting enough, but now you get to watch it with extra fancy dresses.
  • Emma [manga, anime]
    • Emma starts off a bit basic, but Kaoru Mori really steps it up on textile details a few chapters in.
    • Emma is also highly historically accurate.
    • If only she spent half as much time on face and anatomy as she does on textile and backgrounds.
      I lover her backgrounds and clothes, but her stories aren’t interesting enough to carry her “How to Draw Manga Volume 1: Let’s Draw Expressions!” faces. I’ve tried to read Emma five times now but the character art is so bad so as to be distracting.
      It’s like she draws people like every stereotype and negative criticism of the manga art style. Tilt the eyes up or down or slap on a different hairstyle and boom, different character. Eyebrows up, ecstatic joy! Eyebrows down, soul crushing sadness.
      From someone who is so technically gifted I know she can do better, why she doesn’t is beyond me. Her stories simply aren’t good enough to say that she’s trying to have the characters be bland on purpose not detract from her backgrounds or clothes.
  • Secret of Moonacre [movie, 2008]
    • Secret of Moonacre was a terrible film but the costumes were really interestingly done.A nice mix of lolita, rococo, and victorian all over the place. I feel really bad for the costume designer’s lovely work was used in such a crap movie.
      Watch it for the dress porn only.
    • sets were pretty too.
  • The Knick [television series, 2014]
    • a medical drama set in the early 20th century
  • Penny Dreadful [television series, 2014]
    • just to look at Vanessa Ives
    • I think you mean Lily. Vanessa’s outfits are pleb-tier compared to Lily’s. She spent basically all of season 3 in a burlap sack too. Especially Lily’s end of season 2 outfit. Ooooohh those aesthetic feels.
  • Dracula [movie, 1992]
  • Anna Karenina [movie, 2012]
  • Musashino Sen no shimai [web manga, movie, 2012]
  • Bara no konrei [movie, 2002]
    • From Wikipedia: Bara no Konrei ~Mayonaka ni Kawashita Yakusoku~ is a movie released by Malice Mizer on March 22, 2002. It is a silent film with a storyline similar to Dracula and other vampire-based stories with Japanese and English captions for dialogue.
  • Crimson Peak [movie, 2015]
    • The dresses and hair were to die for.
  • Keeping up Appearances [television series, 1990s]
    • A really funny series, especially when watched from a Lolita point of view.
    • This thing is golden. I would also say Gossip Girl is fun when watched from a lolita point of view
  • Bizenghast [graphic novel series/manga]
    • I like the art and Diana’s clothing more than the story to be honest
  • Soulless [part of the Parasol Protectorate novel series]
    • cheesy but good cheesy.
  • The Young Victoria [movie, 2009]
  • The Supersizers Go… [television series]
    • ( Victorian, Edwardian, etc)
    • “A comedienne & a humor writer try their hand at living in different eras. They dress, eat, and live the past. Before and after, their vitals are tested to see how these lifestyles affect their health.”
  • Carmilla [novel, 1872]
  • The Phantom of the Opera [musical, 1886, novel, 1910]
  • Carmen [opera, 1875]
  • A Picture of Dorian Gray [novel, 1890]
  • The Turn of the Screw [novella, 1898]
  • The Night Circus [novel, 2011]
  • Interview with a Vampire [novel, movie, 1994]
  • What We Do in the Shadows [movie, 2014]
    • (very silly, but very gothic)
  • Sleepy Hollow [movie, 1999]
  • Fairytale collections
    • Andrew Lang’s “Coloured Fairytales” are great if you want a collection
    • Grimm’s fairy tales
    • The Bloody Chamber by Angela Carter
      • On the gothic side of things, I highly recommend The Bloody Chamber by Angela Carter. It’s a collection of fairy tales retold with a decidedly feminist bent. Pic is from one of the illustrated editions.
      • >It’s a collection of fairy tales retold with a decidedly feminist bent
        …With rape and necrophilia out the wazoo!
        Also, this thread convinced me to get a new copy of both the Bloody Chamber (the 75th anniversary edition) and the before mentioned DVD.
  • Anne of Green Gables [novel, 1908]
    • Road to Avonlea [television series, 1990s]
    • Anne with an E [television series, 2017]
      • Anyone started Anne with an E? It’s in my queue to start up this week.
      • I finished it all and Idk gull they made it kinda dramatic. I liked the aesthetic well enough if you look at it as something with a more goth veneer. And its woodsy and dreamy enough that I noticed girls in the Mori community like it. But for example, /spoilers that don’t work on this board/ the punishment for “losing” the brooch is not that she doesn’t get to go to the picnic and try her first ice cream but instead she gets sent back to the orphanage/
      • Anon, do not even get me started, I am so disappointed with that series. They even have her get her period in the third or fourth episode. I haven’t watched that episode, I’ve been avioding it, but if they’re not going to show her rolling rags or dealing with it historically accurately then I am so done.
      • some of that bit is fine and kinda funny, though imo the concept of a naive girl thinking she’s dying is a little tired. And it doesn’t really work since they tried to make her world weary… I mean she really must have learned from the older girls at the orphanage at least.
        Regardless you just have to get past one short but heavy handed speech from Anne about why you shouldn’t be ashamed of your body, and you can enjoy the girls gossiping about
        >becoming a woman
  • Jane Austen stuff
  • A Great and Terrible Beauty [part of the Gemma Doyle Trilogy novel series]
    • this leans slightly gothic, but its a more fantasy than gothic in my mind
  • Bright Young Things [movie, 2003]
    • slightly later time period than usually gets associated with lolita, but it really captures the infighting and bitchiness of all girl subcultures
  • Marie Antoinette [movie 2006]
  • Dolls by Yumiko Kawahara [manga short stories]
    • Dolls by Yumiko Kawahara has some great illustrations, I also love the corrupted kind of feeling the stories have. A bit like Pet Shop of Horrors.
      >Though the one-shots are strange.
  • Ikoku Meiro no Croisee [manga, anime, 2011]
    • Japanese girl comes to Paris in the 19th century. Really nice slice of life, too bad it’s not well known
    • Croisée in a Foreign Labyrinth
  • Candy Candy [manga, anime, 1975]
  • The Decameron by Giovanni Boccaccio [collection of novellas, 14th century]
  • The Man Who Mistook His Wife for a Hat by Oliver Sacks [book of essays, 1985]
  • The Loved Dead and Other Tales by C.M. Eddy Jr. [short story collection]
    • (Part of an H.P Lovecraft collection later, he did not get enough credit for his work in the story “The Loved Dead”)
  • Dellamorte Dellamore (AKA Cemetery Man) by Michele Soavi [movie, 1994]
  • Man Bites Dog by Benoît Poelvoorde, Rémy Belvaux and André Bonzel [movie, 1992]
  • The Man Who Laughs by Paul Leni [movie, 1928]
    • (My favorite movie of all time)
  • GeGeGe no Kitaro by Shigeru Mizuki [manga]
  • So Pretty/Very Rotten [book of essays, 2017]
    • “In a series of essays and comics that are at once academic and intimate, cartoonists Jane Mai and An Nguyen delve into Lolita subculture and their relationship with it. Empowering and beautiful, but also inescapably linked to consumerism, the Rococo-inspired fashion is indulgent and sublime, pretty and rotten.”
  • Stepping on Roses [manga]
    • Stepping on Roses is a good manga with a lot of outfits inspired by Lolita fashion.
  • The Pearl [erotic magazine, 1880]
    • If you’re interested in something a little more adult… The Pearl is an entertaining read.
      https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Pearl
    • Thank you for linking this. I blushed all through the first story, so it’s a good read. Any more adult recs?
  • The Undrowned Child by Michelle Lovric [novel series]
    • A good classic/gothic Lolita book with that kind of winsome macabre, very much a dark Victorian style fairytale. Beautiful, almost singsong prose, and fans of mangas like Cardcaptor Sakura and Gakuen Alice might enjoy the characters.
  • Wonderful World End [movie, 2015]
    • kind of hard to find, but really good.
  • Russian cartoon adaptations of Cinderella and The Nutcracker [animation]
  • Alice in the Country of Hearts [manga, otome game]
    • The manga is based on an otome game and it’s pretty enjoyable, really nicely illustrated too!
  • My Fair Lady [movie, 1964]

    • >tfw ctrl+f and no My Fair Lady
      Please tell me I’m not the only gull who sees the applicability of lolita to a story about a common flower girl who learns proper speech and etiquette and also gets to wear really big hats
    • the lack of audrey hepburn films in this thread in general astounds me
    • As for Audrey Hepburn movies, My Fair Lady is lolita esque in story, but if we’re talking clothes, I’m torn between Funny Face and Roman Holiday for Hepburn’s more EGL movie.
  • The Borgias [television series, 2011]
    • The costumes themselves may not be egl (though the first season palettes for Lucrezias are pure sweet, where the second season jewel tones are perfect for classic, and the third season metallics good for classic/aristo) but Lucrezias journey from gentle and pure to ruthless and cunning seem pretty tonally right.
    • Lucrezia and Giulia’s gowns were always A+. Renaissance inspired lolita needs to be a thing. Detachable sleeves, high waist, and chiffon blouses already exist. It’d only take a bit of tweaking to get there.
  • Elisabeth [musical, movies]
    • Has anyone mentioned the Austrian (and Takarazuka) musical Elisabeth? A story set around a royal woman driven to ennui by her pampered royal life and growing increasingly obsessed with the personification of death and her own fantasies of being Titania in a fairy world as well as the ‘Death and the Maiden’ storyline seems perf for EGL.
    • In general, I would recommend the 1950ies movies about Empress Elisabeth with Romy Schneider, they are called “Sissi” and feature amazing dresses, drama, romance and the struggles of a pampered country girl having to become the empress of an empire.

    • Innocent world also designed a dress after Empress Sissi’s hen’s night dress, so even more lolita relevance
    • Sissi is so good. I’d also suggest the movie Ludwig directed by Luchino Visconti. Romy Schneider of Sissi reprises her role as Elizabeth, but she’s a lot more worldy and jaded.
      • ooh yes! Tortured, dramatic prince with a love for the opera and a tragic death – ideal lolita material
    • I have to say I like the movie Ludwig better than I like Sissi the series. Sissi tried too hard to make the narcissistic and selfish, if indeed long suffering, Elisabeth into Cinderella.
      What I love about Ludwig and the musical is they both point out the absurd hipocrisy of Sissi’s deep infatuation with herself and her alleged suffering. While yes, rigors of court life sucked, and her mother in law was a pain, this was Europe leading up to World War One: you had wars, famines, brutal winters, people losing their families and children, and here was the Empress whining endlessly about how hard she had it.
      And her lack of empathy didn’t just cover her adopted homeland, either. She bitched and moaned about the unfairness of her mother in law raising Rudolph then when Franz Josef caved and gave Rudolph to Sissi, she couldn’t have cared less for him. Sissi never cared much for Rudolph until after he’d died, when suddenly she became the grieving mother calling for her son, further playing into the narrative she’d constructed for herself as being the victim of the world.
      Even her efforts with Hungary had more to do with her power struggle against Sofie than any kind of genuine empathy.
      I swear, between Sissi of Austria and Alexandra of Russia, World War One can be quickly summarized as: when your mother tells you not to marry that crazy bitch, don’t marry that crazy bitch.
      Sissi is for great EGL material. Momoko in SM really seemed to channel that a lot.
    • I too like the musical better, out of the same points you listed. The movies are visually beautiful and nice to watch, but they are glorifying Sissi to no end and don’t deal with her really problematic character traits and decisions.
      • I swear that Bavarian royal line was cursed. Was it Helene who had been sent to an asylum for health issues then died when the asylum had a faire to raise funds for the poor and caught fire? That whole family’s story is nothing but the mixture of the beautiful and the morbid.
      • I didn’t even know that about Helene! But I swear, the whole Habsburg family had the best drama. Modern tabloids are nothing on them.
  • Jonathan Strange and Mr. Norrell [miniseries, 2015]
    • Jonathan Strange and Mr. Norrell is a really well done mini-series. The book is even better as far as story goes. If you like eerie faerie stuff, it’s up your alley 100%.
    • Love this series!
      Really dissatisfying ending though.
  • The Last Unicorn [movie, 1982]
    • Read the book too! Its a very sort of tongue in cheek modern fairy tale (sort of like the Princess Bride) by Peter S. Beagle.
    • It was one of my fav cartoons when I was a teen. The animation looks like both anime and a cartoon, pretty cool.
  • Fall of Eagles [television series, 1974]
    • Fall of Eagles is a good TV series from the 1970s about the three major European monarchies.
  • Wolf Hall [miniseries, 2015]
    • Wolf Hall is pre rococo but I found it visually beautiful at points.

Media with Lolita Characters:

  • Shiki [anime, manga, novel series]
    • Sunako from Shiki wears brand, too bad she doesn’t appear much
  • Nana [anime, manga]
  • Paradise Kiss
    • Paradise Kiss has Miwako. Damnit though, in Paradise Kiss everyone and anyone bangs. Show me the pretty fashion designs.
  • Death Note [manga, anime]
    • there’s some 2007-era Moitie/EGL in Death Note
  • Fruits Basket [manga]
    • Someone who wears cosplay and Lolita in Fruits Basket
  • X Cross [movie, 2007]
    • Horror movie, for the sake of hilarity.
  • Gothic Lolita Psycho [movie]
    • (actually kinda shit)
    • If we’re talking of those B-grade gorefests that are amusing and feature a lolita character, Gothic Lolita Psycho is one of those. Don’t go in expecting much, just enjoy the violence and imagine yourself in her place as a lolita who can deflect bullets with her parasol.
  • Livewires by Adam Warren [comic book series]
    • I cannot recommend the comic book series Livewires based on its own merit, fashion design or execution, but it is the only comic book series I know that features a gothic lolita in a main role.
  • 2good4me from Breakbot [music video]
    • I remember a couple of years ago there was this song made in a South American country where the music video followed the day of a teen lolita as she took her brother to school, went to a meet up, and got in trouble with some punks. What was that song called?
  • Girls x Battle [mobile game]
    • Girls x Battle has some characters wearing lolita-inspired outfits. There is also an item called “Lolita Dress”, which you can give to girls as a present to gain intimacy points.
      >buy her burando to secude her

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Raven

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